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---++ IEEE P1735 Working Group Meeting of January 6, 2014

---+++ Meeting Info

[[P1735MeetingInfo][Conference Information]]

---+++ Participants

   * Attending 
      * Dave Graubart, Synopsys _DR_ (Chair)
      * Michael Smith, Synopsys _DRA_
      * Jonathan Goldberg, IEEE Professional Services
      * Jeff Fox, Altera _DR_
      * Joe Hupcey, Jasper
      * Ray Martin, Xilinx _DR_
      * Nitin Khurana, Cadence _DR_
      * Steven Dovich, P1076 liaison
      * Joe Daniels, P1735 Technical Editor
      * John Shields, Mentor _DR_
   * Not Attending 
      * Dave Clemans, Synopsys _DRA_
      * Krista Gluchoski, IEEE Professional Services
      * Dmitry Melnick, Aldec _DR_
      * Stan Krolikoski, Cadence (DASC Chair)
      * Devin Sundaram, Altera DRA
      * Parminder Gill, Synopsys _DRA_
      * Premduth Vidyanandan, Xilinx
      * David Pena, Cadence
      * Bin Dai, Xilinx
      * Ruchi Tyagi, Cadence _DRA_
      * Gael Paul
---+++ Agenda

   1 Determine Quorum
   1 [[http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.pdf][Patent slides]]
   1 Approve agenda
   1 Approval of Previous Meeting minutes
   1 Action Item Review
   1 Liaison Reports
   1 Schedule
   1 Front Matter
   1 Interoperability
   1 Key Management
   1 Rights Management
   1 License Management
   1 Visibility
   1 Common Rights
   1 Annxes
   1 Work Plan
   1 Other Business
   1 Adjourn
---+++ Minutes
---++++ Attendance/Quorum

We have 5/6 eligible entities, and do have a working quorum.
---++++ Patent Policy

The [[http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.pdf][Patent slides]] were offered for review.

No new claims were disclosed at the call for essential patent claims.
---++++ Agenda Approval

Motion by Ray, seconded Jeff. Motion is approved.
---++++ Previous Minutes

Ray moved and Jeff seconded the approval of the [[P1735Minutes2013Dec9][December 9, 2013]] minutes. The motion was approved.
---++++ Action Item Review

No updates.
---++++ Liaison Reports

PAR extension was approved to the end of 2014.

Steve and John sent letters to Jim Lewis asking for Steve to be 1076 liaison. This was approved. Steve described two items from 1076 on his work list:

1. Ambiguity in initialization vectors. 1800 has been updated to improve this. 1076 has not yet had a revision to include this. John asked to talk to Steve offline to discuss this and other changes appropriate for 1076.

2. Protection boundaries which is related to topics covered in P1735 common rights and visibility clauses.
---++++ Schedule

Dave G presented a current schedule.
<table style="width: 424px;" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"> <colgroup span="1"><col width="201" span="1"></col><col width="73" span="1"></col><col width="75" span="2"></col></colgroup> <tbody> <tr height="20"> <td width="201" height="20">Item</td> <td width="73">Duration</td> <td width="75">Start</td> <td width="75">End</td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20">Draft 4 preparation</td> <td align="right">60</td> <td align="right">11/4/2013</td> <td align="right">1/3/2014</td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20">Draft 4 PDF creation</td> <td align="right">28</td> <td align="right">1/3/2014</td> <td align="right">1/31/2014</td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20">MEC review & ballot formation</td> <td align="right">30</td> <td align="right">1/31/2014</td> <td align="right">3/2/2014</td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20">Finish Draft 5 preparation</td> <td align="right">14</td> <td align="right">3/2/2014</td> <td align="right">3/16/2014</td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20">Draft 5 PDF creation</td> <td align="right">7</td> <td align="right">3/16/2014</td> <td align="right">3/23/2014</td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20">Ballot</td> <td align="right">45</td> <td align="right">3/23/2014</td> <td align="right">5/7/2014</td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20">Review comments/rework</td> <td align="right">30</td> <td align="right">5/7/2014</td> <td align="right">6/6/2014</td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20">Recirculation ballot</td> <td align="right">30</td> <td align="right">6/6/2014</td> <td align="right">7/6/2014</td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20">Submit for revcom</td> <td align="right">45</td> <td align="right">7/6/2014</td> <td align="right">8/20/2014</td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20"> </td> <td> </td> <td> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20">Revcom opportunities</td> <td> </td> <td> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td align="right" height="20">6/11/2014</td> <td>Not likely</td> <td> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td align="right" height="20">8/20/2014</td> <td>Best target</td> <td> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td align="right" height="20">12/9/2014</td> <td>Backup</td> <td> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table>

Assumptions:

1. Joe has 2014 IEEE professional services contract in place. This is done covering Draft 4 and 5 work. An additional contract needs to be in place for recirculation ballot work.

2. Typography standards are clear and match 1076. Steve has these specified in recent front matter updates. 1076 LRM is available on 1735 private Twiki.
---++++ Front Matter Status

Steve finished up front matter suitable for draft 4. Steve will look at licensing clause during December and possibly include POSIX standard for inclusion in annex A.

Steve anticipates these clauses changed about 25% from draft 3 to draft 4 and does not know of further changes that will be needed after draft 4.

Steve has update to clause 2 for posting and sending to Joe D today.
---++++ Interoperability Status

Ray reports this is stable for draft 4. He estimates about 60% changed from draft 3 to draft 4 and that little will be needed after draft 4.
---++++ Key Management Status

Steve reports this is stable for draft 4. He estimates about 10% has changed from draft 3 to 4 and does not know of further changes that will be needed after draft 4.
---++++ Rights Management Status

Dave G reports this is stable for draft 4. He estimates about 25% changed from draft 3 to draft 4 and that there will be another 10% change after draft 4.
---++++ License Management Status

Dave G reports this is stable for draft 4. He estimates about 25% changed from draft 3 to draft 4 and that there will be another 10% change after draft 4. Dave G working with Synopsys Legal to get a reference implementation posted in an Accellera forum.
---++++ Visibility Status

John reports this is stable for draft 4. He estimates about 50% changed from draft 3 to draft 4 and that there will be another 10% change after draft 4.
---++++ Common Rights Status

John reports this is stable for draft 4. He estimates about 50% changed from draft 3 to draft 4 and that there will be another 10% change after draft 4.
---++++ Annex Status

John reports is stable for draft 4. This is non-normative information and some now appears in clause 9 and 10. Some cleanup is pending after draft 4. John may make updates for draft 5. Annex X, with some material moved to clause 9 and 10 will become Annex C (John). Annex A is bibliography (Steve), Annex B is required algorithms (Dave).
---++++ Work Plan
---+++++ High-level objectives:
   * Secure pre-ballot feedback from other DASC working groups (using draft 4)
---+++++ Project Plan:
   * Draft 4 
      * Technical editor has started and expects three iterations to reach a PDF suitable for MEC review, internal technical reviews, and the foundation for working group draft 5 updates. Joe D expects to send the first of the iterations to Dave G next week and Dave will distribute to the working group and post it to the private Twiki area. Joe asked us to mark up the PDF with comments rather than create new or revised Word documents.
      * Collect feedback sufficient for draft 5 work by the middle of February
   * Draft 5 
      * Incorporate MEC review comments
      * Incorporate refinements and syntax examples
---++++ Other Business

Dave G to update web site, fixing some file permissions and adding John's slides that he (John) did for DAC.

Need commitment for small 2014 assessment from each entity. Any who have not confirmed with Dave G yet, please do so before the end of January.

Joe D mentioned possible conflict between terms "recommended" and "required". The PAR calls P1735 a set of recommendations yet the draft is full of requirements. All agreed that it would not be possible to change the PAR at this time and it wasn't clear that a change would even desirable. We will continue to use the term "required" for most P1735 content and will use "recommended" for best practices and use cases. Our expectation is that 1076 and 1800 will adopt P1735 by reference according to their own revision schedules. This could create conflicts with material currently within 1076 and 1800. It will be up to those working groups to clean this up. It may make sense to refactor content in future versions.

Dave G needs donation letters for MEC review from Synopsys, Cadence, and VSIA. Steve has ones from Cadence and VSIA and will send to Dave. Dave will pursue getting a letter from Synopsys.

Dave G invited Joe Hupcee as a guest observer, an expert on assertions, and Joe introduced himself. All agreed that Joe's involvement can be valuable and there was discussion on what kind of participation is possible given that Joe works for Jasper who is not an IEEE corporate member. It was clarified that observers cannot influence meeting agendas, review drafts, or participate in ballotting. But the working group can ask questions, present material in meetings, and request feedback from expert observers. Dave will seek clarification on what can be shared, discussing this with DASC and IEEE. Steve mentioned there may be a possibility of a mixed ballot where individual IEEE members can participate in parallel with entities. Dave will follow-up with the DASC chair. After gathering more information on all of this, Dave will make a proposal to the working group. Given that we are working to close on the final draft, it isn't the ideal time to receive new input, but there should be opportunity to add content to Annex C.

Jeff asked about tools or reference implementations that could help adoption of P1735 by IP providers. John answered that the best approach is for the IP vendor to use an encryptor provided with one of the EDA tools that supports P1735 along with verifying that the flows and protection meet their needs.

Joe asked Dave for copies of figures used in Rights and License Management clauses.
---+++ Next Meeting

The next [[P1735MeetingInfo][P1735 meeting]] is scheduled for January 20, 2014 at 16:00UTC.

*Tentative Agenda*
   1 Determine Quorum
   1 [[http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.pdf][Patent slides]]
   1 Approve agenda
   1 Approval of Previous Meeting minutes
   1 Action Items Status
   1 Liaison Reports
   1 Meeting Schedule
   1 Inter-operability Issues
   1 License Management
   1 Key Management
   1 Rights Management
   1 Common Rights and Visibility
   1 Work Plan
   1 Other Business
   1 Adjourn
---++++ Adjournment

Motion by Jeff, second by John. Approved by acclamation at 17:19 UTC
---+++ Approval

These minutes are approved.

-- Main.DaveGraubart - 2013-12-09
Topic revision: r3 - 2014-01-20 - 17:53:49 - DaveGraubart
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