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---++ IEEE P1735 Working Group Meeting of February 3, 2014
---+++ Meeting Info

[[P1735MeetingInfo][Conference Information]]

---+++ Participants

   * Attending 
      * Dave Graubart, Synopsys _DR_ (Chair)
      * Joe Daniels, P1735 Technical Editor
      * Jonathan Goldberg, IEEE Professional Services
      * Michael Smith, Synopsys _DRA_
      * Satyam Jani, Aldec _DR_
      * Dave Clemans, Synopsys _DRA_
      * Jeff Fox, Altera _DR_
      * Steven Dovich, P1076 liaison
      * John Shields, Mentor _DR_
      * Ray Martin, Xilinx _DR_
      * Sourabh Tandon, Synopsys
   * Not Attending 
      * Ruchi Tyagi, Cadence _DRA_
      * Joe Hupcey, Jasper
      * Nitin Khurana, Cadence _DR_
      * Krista Gluchoski, IEEE Professional Services
      * Dmitry Melnick, Aldec _DRA_
      * Stan Krolikoski, Cadence (DASC Chair)
      * Devin Sundaram, Altera DRA
      * Parminder Gill, Synopsys _DRA_
      * Premduth Vidyanandan, Xilinx
      * David Pena, Cadence
      * Bin Dai, Xilinx
      * Gael Paul, PLDA
---+++ Agenda

   1 Determine Quorum
   1 [[http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.pdf][Patent slides]]
   1 Approve agenda
   1 Approval of Previous Meeting minutes
   1 Introduce any guests
   1 Action Item Review
   1 Liaison Reports
   1 MEC and ballot pool status
   1 Schedule
   1 General Status
   1 Front matter
   1 Interoperability
   1 Key Management
   1 Rights Management
   1 License Management and Reference Implementation
   1 Visibility
   1 Common Rights
   1 Annxes
   1 Work Plan
   1 Other Business
   1 Adjourn
---+++ Minutes
---++++ Attendance/Quorum

We have 5/6 eligible entities, and do have a working quorum.
---++++ Patent Policy

The [[http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.pdf][Patent slides]] were offered for review.

No new claims were disclosed at the call for essential patent claims.
---++++ Agenda Approval

Motion to approve agenda made by John, seconded Ray. Motion is approved.
---++++ Previous Minutes

John moved and Michael seconded the approval of the [[P1735Minutes2014Jan20][January 20, 2014]] minutes. The motion was approved.
---++++ Guests

No guests attended today.

Dave G will follow-up with Joe Hupcey from Jasper on a future meeting for him to attend again. Dave will notify the working group in advance so others who may want to interact with Joe can be present.

Dave G also heard from Gael Paul, the original author of OpenIP at Synplicity that was donated to VSIA then Accellera then IEEE. Gael is interested in participating in some capacity and is likely to attend some future meeting as an expert guest.
---++++ Action Item Review

No updates today.
---++++ Liaison Reports

Steve reported that 1076 will be looking at 1735 draft material soon to consider what needs to be incorporated into 1076 to align with 1735 recommendations.
---++++ MEC and Ballot Pool Status

The January 23rd Draft 4 was submitted for a MEC review on January 30. The ballot pool invitations were initiated on the same day. Those signing up for the ballot pool should talk to Dave G to review entity category to insure the required balance among several categories. If unbalanced, there should be an opportunity to reclassify. Dave G will email recommendations on how and when to join the ballot pool.

We reviewed questions that Joe had previously asked regarding the preliminary draft:
   * <p>Marking content as version 1 vs. version 2 is not complete in draft 4. It will need to be complete in draft 5.</p>
   * <p>References to Verilog should be replaced with SystemVerilog . This was done in draft 4.</p>
   * <p>Need examples and strategies. We are OK for draft 4 but more for ballot.</p>
   * <p>Term for runtime visibility should consistently be "runtime visibility". That was done in draft 4.</p>
   * <p>Description of identifiers in the rights managment clause will be more formal in draft 5.</p>
   * <p>Question if bibliography needs to include ISO/IEC 8859-1. Yes, this is needed in draft 5.</p>
   * <p>Suggestion that we add IEEE 802 references. This was done in draft 4.</p>
   * <p>Steve asked if there is any issue with additional normative references after the MEC review. The specific concern is about cross-references to POSIX and machine attributes such as the MAC address. This was done in draft 4 but we still need cross-references in the license management clause to these references for draft 5.</p>
---++++ Schedule

Dave G presented a current schedule.
<table style="width: 424px;" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"> <colgroup span="1"><col width="201" span="1"></col><col width="73" span="1"></col><col width="75" span="2"></col></colgroup> <tbody> <tr height="20"> <td width="201" height="20">Item</td> <td width="73">Duration</td> <td width="75">Start</td> <td width="75">End</td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20">MEC review & ballot formation</td> <td align="right">30</td> <td align="right">1/30/2014</td> <td align="right">3/1/2014</td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20">Finish Draft 5 preparation</td> <td align="right">14</td> <td align="right">3/1/2014</td> <td align="right">3/15/2014</td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20">Draft 5 PDF creation</td> <td align="right">7</td> <td align="right">3/15/2014</td> <td align="right">3/22/2014</td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20">Ballot</td> <td align="right">45</td> <td align="right">3/22/2014</td> <td align="right">5/6/2014</td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20">Review comments/rework</td> <td align="right">30</td> <td align="right">5/6/2014</td> <td align="right">6/5/2014</td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20">Recirculation ballot</td> <td align="right">30</td> <td align="right">6/5/2014</td> <td align="right">7/5/2014</td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20">Submit for revcom</td> <td align="right">45</td> <td align="right">7/5/2014</td> <td align="right">8/19/2014</td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20"> </td> <td> </td> <td> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20">Revcom opportunities</td> <td> </td> <td> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td align="right" height="20">8/20/2014</td> <td>Best target</td> <td> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td align="right" height="20">12/9/2014</td> <td>Backup</td> <td> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table>

Assumptions:

1. Joe has 2014 IEEE professional services contract in place. This is done covering Draft 4 and 5 work. An additional contract needs to be in place for recirculation ballot work. Dave will check with Cadence who hasn't commented on this and then will ask IEEE Professional Services to initiate the invoicing.

2. Typography standards are clear and match 1076. Steve has these specified in recent front matter updates. 1076 LRM is available on 1735 private Twiki.
---++++ General Status

We want to gather any remaining feedback by the end of next week, Febraury 14, so that there is sufficient time to follow-up on any open questions and begin getting draft 5 input to Joe on March 3. John will be circulating draft 4 internally at Mentor and comments to respective owners. Dave G will do the same at Synopsys. Dave will also contact Ruchi, cc Stan, at Cadence to try to get their active participation.
---++++ Front Matter Status

Steve does not know of further changes needed for draft 5. Joe asked all to review their own names for proper spelling and note if any names are missing. Steve expects the only other updates would be from MEC comments.
---++++ Interoperability Status

Ray reports that minor updates are needed for draft 5.
---++++ Key Management Status

Steve does not know of further changes needed for draft 5 except that he is expecting comments from John.
---++++ Rights Management Status

Dave G reports that some updates are needed for draft 5, mostly related to the markup around key and rights blocks. Description of identifiers needs to be more formal. Dave will send known open questions to the reflector this week for comment.
---++++ License Management Status

Dave G reports that the version 1 of the reference implementation is posted on the Accellera Forum. He expects some updates and cleanup plus adding IEEE 802 references for draft 5. Joe asked for copies of figures used.
---++++ Visibility Status

John posted a discussion and questions about visibility of diclosed names in PLI/DPI/CLI on January 21. He expects updates for draft 5 related to this. he would like to get usability opinion from working group members. Mentor has one group with clear needs on DPI. John will take them as the interested party but welcomes other input, even if it is one of: yes, no, don't care, or don't understand. John is willing to discuss the topic with anyone in that last category. Steve is asking ex-colleagues from Cadence for input. Dave will also ping Cadence DR/DRAs on participation. John is hoping there will no conflict between de facto behavior and our standard, but needs input now to avoid this. One possibility is that disclosed names are identical to unprotected names for runtime visibility. A dial-back on this could be no visibility in tool outputs. John reminded everyone that the material in draft 4 plus the recent email discussion together should cover the recommendations and rationale.
---++++ Common Rights Status

John reports that changes for draft 5 will be mostly based on feedback to be received. Hopefully, there will be no new controls needed for visibility. Some clarification of intent will be written.
---++++ Annex Status

Annex A (bibliography) is being tracked as part of front matter 9see above) (Steve).

Annex B (required algorithms and interoperability) may need minor updates for draft 5 (Dave G).

Annex C (other known issues with IP protection) will need updates from recent visibility discussion for draft 5 (John). John aims to close this at the same time as resolution of visibility issues.
---++++ Work Plan
---+++++ High-level objectives:
   * Go to ballot with draft 5.
   * Get on agenda for August revcom ratification.
---+++++ Project Plan:
   * Draft 5 
      * Incorporate MEC review comments
      * Collect pre-ballot feedback from other DASC working groups using draft 4 by the middle of February
      * Incorporate refinements and syntax examples
---++++ Other Business

Dave G to update web site including fixing some file permissions. John will upload his slides as presented at DAC and as updated by Stan to incorporate the IEEE template.

Need commitment for small 2014 assessment from each entity. Most have confirmed. Dave G will follow-up with Cadence who hasn't replied yet. After the meeting via email, Dave G made a motion and Ray seconded, to assess each entity $1000 to fund technical editing through publication of the standard. The motion was approved.
---+++ Next Meeting

The next [[P1735MeetingInfo][P1735 meeting]] is scheduled for February 24, 2014 at 16:00UTC. This is a week later than normal to avoid a conflict with the President's Day holiday.

*Tentative Agenda*
   1 Determine Quorum
   1 [[http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.pdf][Patent slides]]
   1 Approve agenda
   1 Approval of Previous Meeting minutes
   1 Introduce any guests
   1 Action Item Review
   1 Liaison Reports
   1 MEC and ballot pool status
   1 Schedule
   1 General Status
   1 Front matter
   1 Interoperability
   1 Key Management
   1 Rights Management
   1 License Management and Reference Implementation
   1 Visibility
   1 Common Rights
   1 Annxes
   1 Work Plan
   1 Other Business
   1 Adjourn
---++++ Adjournment

Motion by Jeff, second by John. Approved by acclamation at 17:08 UTC
---+++ Approval

These minutes are approved.

-- Main.DaveGraubart - 2014-02-03
Topic revision: r5 - 2014-02-24 - 16:06:55 - DaveGraubart
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