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---++ IEEE P1735 Working Group Meeting of November 25, 2013

---+++ Meeting Info

[[P1735MeetingInfo][Conference Information]]

---+++ Participants

   * Attending 
      * Dave Graubart, Synopsys _DR_ (Chair)
      * Jeff Fox, Altera _DR_
      * Jonathan Goldberg, IEEE Professional Services
      * Krista Gluchoski, IEEE Professional Services
      * Ray Martin, Xilinx _DR_
      * Steven Dovich
      * Dmitry Melnick, Aldec _DR_
      * John Shields, Mentor _DR_
      * Michael Smith, Synopsys _DRA_
      * Dave Clemans, Synopsys _DRA_

   * Not Attending 
      * Stan Krolikoski, Cadence (DASC Chair)
      * Joe Daniels, P1735 Technical Editor
      * Devin Sundaram, Altera DRA
      * Parminder Gill, Synopsys _DRA_
      * Premduth Vidyanandan, Xilinx
      * Nitin Khurana, Cadence _DRA_
      * David Pena, Cadence
      * Bin Dai, Xilinx
      * Ruchi Tyagi, Cadence _DRA_
---+++ Agenda

   1 Determine Quorum
   1 [[http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.pdf][Patent slides]]
   1 Approve agenda
   1 Approval of Previous Meeting minutes
   1 Action Items Status
   1 Liaison Reports
   1 Inter-operability Issues
   1 License Management
   1 Key Management
   1 Rights Management
   1 Common Rights and Visibility
   1 Work Plan
   1 Other Business
   1 Adjourn
---+++ Minutes
---++++ Attendance/Quorum

We have 5/6 eligible entities, and have a working quorum.
---++++ Patent Policy

The [[http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.pdf][Patent slides]] were offered for review.

No new claims were disclosed at the call for essential patent claims.
---++++ Agenda Approval

Motion by John, seconded byJeff. Motion is approved.
---++++ Previous Minutes

Ray moved and John seconded the approval of the [[P1735Minutes2013Nov11][November 11, 2013]] minutes. The motion was approved.
---++++ Action Item Review

Dave G reviewed the open action items. The only open item for draft 4 is updates to front matter (clauses 1-4). Steve says this will be done within a day or two.
---++++ Liaison Reports

PAR extension is under review by NESCOM members in preparation for the December meeting, and all questions to date have been resolved to their satisfaction.
---++++ Schedule

Dave G presented a possible schedule covering the present through ratification. John and Steve provided input, especially that draft 5 development can occur in parallel to the MEC review and that some technical work remains for draft 5. The schedule was updated accordingly and appears here:
<table style="width: 424px;" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"> <colgroup span="1"><col width="201" span="1"></col><col width="73" span="1"></col><col width="75" span="2"></col></colgroup> <tbody> <tr height="20"> <td width="201" height="20">Item</td> <td width="73">Duration</td> <td width="75">Start</td> <td width="75">End</td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20">Draft 4 preparation</td> <td align="right">23</td> <td align="right">11/4/2013</td> <td align="right">11/27/2013</td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20">Draft 4 PDF creation</td> <td align="right">14</td> <td align="right">11/27/2013</td> <td align="right">12/11/2013</td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20">MEC review & ballot formation</td> <td align="right">30</td> <td align="right">12/11/2013</td> <td align="right">1/10/2014</td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20">Finish Draft 5 preparation</td> <td align="right">21</td> <td align="right">1/10/2014</td> <td align="right">1/31/2014</td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20">Draft 5 PDF creaion</td> <td align="right">7</td> <td align="right">1/31/2014</td> <td align="right">2/7/2014</td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20">Ballot</td> <td align="right">45</td> <td align="right">2/7/2014</td> <td align="right">3/24/2014</td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20">Review comments/rework</td> <td align="right">30</td> <td align="right">3/24/2014</td> <td align="right">4/23/2014</td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20">Recirculation ballot</td> <td align="right">30</td> <td align="right">4/23/2014</td> <td align="right">5/23/2014</td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20">Submit for revcom</td> <td align="right">45</td> <td align="right">5/23/2014</td> <td align="right">7/7/2014</td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20"> </td> <td> </td> <td> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20">Revcom opportunities</td> <td> </td> <td> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td align="right" height="20">6/11/2014</td> <td>Not likely</td> <td> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td align="right" height="20">8/20/2014</td> <td>Best target</td> <td> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td align="right" height="20">12/9/2014</td> <td>Backup</td> <td> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table>
---++++ Front Matter Status

Steve is finishing up a little work here with normative references and definitions. He observed that there are different styles in different clauses for such items as pragmas and variables. Dave G suggested we ask Joe to apply one style to all clauses in dftaft 4. John recommended we use the conventions in IEEE 1076 (VHDL) and all agreed.

For this and all clauses, Dave G asked for estimates of changes since the last draft and expected beyond this draft. This information will help Joe determine the best approach in creating the draft 4 PDF and may have an influence on if a 2014 assessment will be required.

Steve anticipates these clauses changed about 25% from draft 3 to draft 4 and does not know of further changes that will be needed after draft 4.
---++++ Interoperability Status

Ray reports this is stable for draft 4. He estimates about 60% changed from draft 3 to draft 4 and that little will be needed after draft 4.
---++++ Key Management Status

Steve reports this is stable for draft 4. He estimates about 10% has changed from draft 3 to 4 and does not know of further changes that will be needed after draft 4.
---++++ Rights Management Status

Dave G reports this is stable for draft 4. He estimates about 25% changed from draft 3 to draft 4 and that there will be another 10% change after draft 4.
---++++ License Management Status

Dave G reports this is stable for draft 4. He estimates about 25% changed from draft 3 to draft 4 and that there will be another 10% change after draft 4.
---++++ Visibility Status

John reports this is stable for draft 4. He estimates about 50% changed from draft 3 to draft 4 and that there will be another 10% change after draft 4.
---++++ Common Rights Status

John reports this is stable for draft 4. He estimates about 50% changed from draft 3 to draft 4 and that there will be another 10% change after draft 4.
---++++ Annex Status

John reports is stable for draft 4. This is non-normative informationi and some now appears in clause 9. Some cleanup is pending after draft 4.
---++++ Work Plan
---+++++ Liaison Review Comments

Steve said he will only be able to continue as a Cadence representative for one more meeting. However, it looks like he can be a member of IEEE 1076, an individual rather than entity-based group, and then be our 1076 liaison. John will speak with Jim Lewis to see if this appointment can be made quickly.
---+++++ High-level objectives:

   * Secure the PAR extention to move expiration to the end of 2014
   * Secure pre-ballot feedback from other DASC working groups
---+++++ Project Plan:

   * Draft 4 
      * Get front matter updates ASAP and send all to Joe
      * Expect PDF back within two weeks and use for MEC review, internal technical reviews, and further working group updates
      * Calendar leaves sufficient time, even given the holidays
      * Collect feedback sufficient for draft 5 work by the end of the year

   * Draft 5 
      * Incorporate MEC review comments
      * Incorporate refinements and examples
      * Complete work in January on draft 5 to stay on schedule, aiming to handoff to Joe on Feb 1
---++++ Other Business

---+++ Next Meeting

The next [[P1735MeetingInfo][P1735 meeting]] is scheduled for December 9, 2013 at 16:00UTC.

*Tentative Agenda*
   1 Determine Quorum
   1 [[http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.pdf][Patent slides]]
   1 Approve agenda
   1 Approval of Previous Meeting minutes
   1 Action Items Status
   1 Liaison Reports
   1 Meeting Schedule
   1 Inter-operability Issues
   1 License Management
   1 Key Management
   1 Rights Management
   1 Common Rights and Visibility
   1 Work Plan
   1 Other Business
   1 Adjourn

---++++ Adjournment

Motion by John, second by Dave G. Approved by acclamation at 17:30 UTC

---+++ Approval

These minutes are approved.

-- Main.DaveGraubart - 2013-11-25
Topic revision: r4 - 2013-12-09 - 17:05:47 - DaveGraubart
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